After reading the blog from the university, define justice. Is Justice fairness? Does justice require everyone getting the exact same treatment? Do some people deserve more than others? Is justice giving each person what he or she deserves even if that results in inequality?
She is totally right i mean no one should be treated different no matter how they look, how tall they are, how big they are. Nothing should come in between the equality among people.
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After reading the article, I think I could disagree and agree with Alaine at the same time. I THINK everyone's definition of "justice" is different, and there isn't an exact definition of it, because everyone has their own, different opinions.
ReplyDeleteTo me, justice is fairness, because in this world, equality doesn't seem to exist. I'll give you a few examples: African Americans are still discriminated by whites, mentally disabled people are still neglected by the common people, and even "little people" (dwarves) are put down because of their disabilities. No matter who you are, you should be treated equally. No one should be treated poorly for anything they have done, or what they were born with. That's my belief, but everyone has their own.
- Emily Lowell
When I finished reading this story I realized what justice truly is. Justice is when people are treated equal in other words, no discrimination. When she compared it to the cake, I think she was right. If the little kids don't want all of the cake that you gave them, then let them decide that, it should be up to them, not you.
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I agree with the cake part of what she said. I was thinking about the sharing part too, when I was reading it. If the little ones want to share that is fine and it is also there choice. I also agree on no matter who you are you should be treated the same. So many times celebrity get either off with something because they are famous or they would get in more trouble than a normal person because people want to show some type of point. The only thing I kinda disagree with is if you are a criminal and have caused some major crime like murdering someone then you should not have the right to go and be with other people where you could just murder more people.
ReplyDelete~Danielle Bergner Red 3
I think Alaine described justice very well but in a very broad way. There are many different aspects of justice that can be addressed in many different ways. There are many reasonable ways to describe it but I think it depends who you ask. Treating everyone fairly no matter who you are is something I agree with. Everyone is equal, therefore why treat them differently? Also I was very impressed with Alaine for coming up with a good responsee that fast.
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I agree with Alaine that justice is equality, except there is one thing that I think she is missing. What if someone had done nothing to earn a peice of cake or they have done something bad in their past, then would they still get an even share of cake? Even if someone had murdered someone and the other people have worked hard all their life and never done anything wrong, then should they all be treated the same?
ReplyDeleteAaron Davies red 3
I kind of think people should be treated the same. If someone did something bad then ithikn you don't have to treat the as good as you would with somebody who did something really good. You might want to gererally be nice to people but if you have a best friend or someone your really close to then you probably want to treat them better then some other people because they are close to you.
ReplyDelete-Molly Miller
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I read that justice means equal. Everyone should be treated the same way, kinda like the saying treat others the way you want to be treated, now that is justice, like the cake thing on the (What is justice) on the internet, third website down on google. Age doesnt matter either, you treat people equal that are older or younger. from Justin Brown
ReplyDeleteJustice is in part fairness, like the little girl said things should be equal, and some things should but it can't be that way. That's like saying if someone is working their butt off in there job to get enough money to have a good life and someone else is living off welfare, they have no job that they should have the same amount of money? No that is so wrong in many ways. You earn what you get. On the other hand someone could be born into a rich family and do absolutley nothing and be rich. Then someone could be born into nothing and work there hardest and still not succeed on the level the rich person is who hasn,t done anything. That's not fair. That's not justice. But the world isn't as simple as that girl says. It may be to her because she's 9 years old but the fact is it's not. There are exceptions to every rule and anytime anyone says what justice with another person will have a good reason why that can't work or it's not fair. Me personally I think that justice is you get what you deserve. You get what you earn. If your lazy and you try to live off welfare, and other peoples taxes, thats not justice because people who are working hard are paying for you. But as I said earlier there are exceptions to that, what if someone is born with one arm and isn't fit to work? Or if someone's whole family died and they no longer have support, etc. There is no way for everyone to be happy or for it to be fair. There is no perfect justice, people are going to get away with bad things and people are going to be put away for nothing. That is why there is no perfect justice.
ReplyDeleteCal Carr
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I think that justice is finding a punishment equal to the crime. If someone goes off and kills someone then they should not go to jail for two days. And if someone goes and steals a pack of gum from a gas station then they should not be put in jail for life. Also the punishment should be the same for everybody. Like if a priest robs a bank and a mass murderer robs a bank they should have the same sentence.
ReplyDeleteNicolas Williamson
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I agree with the concept of giving everyone a fair share without discrimination towards their height, weight, or how they look. I also think that this is a little too simple because some rights should not be allowed to some people, for example if somebody has a criminal record and is shoplifting with a friend with a clean record, should they be treated fairly? Justice like this would be great but may not be possible or logical.
ReplyDeleteAustin Gotts
Yes I think that justice is fairness to a certain degree. People who are hard working, make an honest living, and treat others fairly should all be reated with fairness. But if you are someone who treats others or have committed a serious crime should not be treated fairly. People who harm innocent people should not be treated fairly because they do not treat others fairly. I think that this all is based on the saying that many of us have heard. This saying is treat others how you would want to be treated. I think that people who are hard working and do not harm other people should be given more respect from others who treat other poeple badly. Justice is not giving everyone fair treatment it is about punishing people who do not follow the law.Justice is about treating people based on their personality and how they behave but not on the color of their skin or anything like that. So to sum it all up you should be treated the way you treat other people.
ReplyDeleteZach H R3
Justice is fair when it is used in the right ways like putting people away in jail for doing something wrong. It was not fair when black were slaves. Justice does require everyone to get the exact same treatment because if only a certain amount of people get justice then the people who don't will be treated as nice which is not fair. No one deservs more then other because that would mean that the person who gets treated better is better which is not true at all.
ReplyDeleteJustice is fairness, and if everything is fair, then everything is equal. Justice is everyone being able to do the same things and no one being discriminated against for their physical appearance, opinions, or race/ethnicity. No one deserves more than anybody else unless there's a reason. Everyone should get what they deserve even if it does result in inequality.
ReplyDelete-Lani Edwards, 12/16/09, Red 3
I THINK THAT ALAINE'S ANSWER WAS WELL SAID, AND I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE WITH IT. JUSTICE SHOULD BE EQUALITY, AND THOUGH THIS WAS A LOT MORE SIMPLE THAN EVERYTHING JUSTICE COULD MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ANSWER TO START WITH WHEN TRYING TO DEFINE JUSTICE. I ESPECIALLY LIKED HER ANSWER TO THE CAKE QUESTION. IT WAS WELL SUPPORTED AND I THINK THIS MINDSET COULD SOLVE A LOT OF SMALL PROBLEMS.
ReplyDelete-MADDIE TWOMEY R3
I really agree with the little girls answer. Justice is equality, no matter who you are. Not matter the difference between person 1 and person 2, each deserves the exact same, whether punishment or "cake" as the man would say. Although, it seems similar to the ideas of communism.
ReplyDeleteBasically, my thoughts are that yes, there should be a sense of equality, but to a certain extent. I say this because if a 10 year old committed the same crime a 21 year old committed, should they have the same punishment? Should this 10 year old kid go to jail? That's the part of equality that needs limitation, because not everyone should get the same treament. It should be a punishment that fits the crime as well as the criminal themself. And what if it was accidental? Sometimes people do the wrong things at the wrong time, so the crime isn't intentional, and I personally think that they should be punished, but not as harshly as someone intending to commit a crime. In the end, Justice has no definition, it depends on how you view it.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Justice aims to be fair, but still it struggles on the lines of discrimination and prejudice. I agree with what Alaine said that everyone should be given the exact same treatment, because we are all equal. But then there are exceptions when people have different needs. In order to be fair and produce the most good out of a certain outcome, it is unfortunately necessary that some people gain more than others.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alaine that justice if being fair and giving everyone equal treatment no matter age, height, ect. Also I think that depending on what happened that punishment should be different but no one deserves to get more punishment than someone that did the exact same thing.
ReplyDelete-Eric Howard Red-B4
I think that justice is fair, everyone should be treated the same no matter what difference they have in each other. Justice does require everyone getting the exact same treatment because that would mean that everyone is being treated the same, everyone gets the same stuff that everyone else does. No justive is not giving each person what he or she deserves because justice says that everyone gets treated the same if some people did more then another and they get more then that person then that wouldn't be treating everyone the same it would be unequal. I think that the cake example is a very good one because they all get the same piece no matter what size or age they are so they are all being treated the same but in the end if they can't eat all of the cake then they can give the rest of there cake to the olders. So in the beginning it was equal but in the end it isn't. But everyone is getting treated fair, because it was the 3 year olds choice to give up what they couldn't eat.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this Artical i agree and disagree. For one, this is about justin not equal rights, i have read other comments and people are saying that everyone should be treated like everyone else no matter how tall or short or big or small you are, but this isn't the case. This is about justice, and so i think that not everyone should be treated the same because if they are, that's like saying if someone steals something from a store, they should get the same punishment as someone if they committed murder.
ReplyDeleteAlaine is pretty insightful for her age. It was well said and there was no doubt. It's too bad justice isn't always served that like, back then and even now.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion on justice is that fairness equals equality. It's just like your peers. No one wants to be treated differently, no matter what their condition etc. Justice should be like that.
Thuy Nguyen R4
I think that justice is not meant to be equal for everyone, like the example of the cake. 10 people should not get ten pieces of cake. Say one person is not hungry. They would not get the cake, but instead it would go to someone else who is really hungry. What i mean is that justice is supposed to be that every person gets equal consequences for their individual actions.
ReplyDeleteNick Fagone
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I agree with what the little girl was saying, to a point. She made it seem like everyone should be treated exactly the same. My biggest value is fairness, and I would like it if everyone was treated maybe not in the EXACT same way, but fairly.
ReplyDeleteBrian Weden
I agree with Alaine that justice is equality. And that everyone should have a fair share. But I also have the same question as Aaron did. What if someone didn't deserve to have a piece of cake?
ReplyDelete- Ally Bonville
Justice is equality and is being treated exactly the same to everyone. No specific person should deserve more than every other person. Justice is a lot like fairness and equality.Justice should require everyone being given the same ammount as the other person. I don't think people deserve more than others because when some people get more that is unfair or uncompatible to others. Justice is exactly like that (should someone get away with a crime that someone else took punishment for.)
ReplyDeleteI believe that justice isn't always beging equal, because if you work hard and have a good life then you earn more. If you're a criminal and has never really done anything good in life I don't see how you deserve the same share of the cake as the person who worked really hard for that cake.
ReplyDeleteIn the example used in the blog we read about the ages that is very agreeable if someone wants to give up their share of the cake then they can, but if you are a criminal they aren't giving up there share of the cake. So how would you consider them being equal if theyre commiting the crimes and hurting people.
-Sam Seidl
I agree with what she said. Justic is being fair to everyone and having the same amount of respect for them. Everyone is equal and deserves the same right.
ReplyDeleteIt dosen't matter with age, family history, apperance, etc. Yes there could be more to it such as your person history but overall this is a good way to look at justice.
~Lyndsay Lombardi R4
After reading the blog from the university, justice is fairness and everyone to be equal no matter what you look like etc. Justice does require everyone to get the same treatment..an example would be if someone was to get in trouble with the law, it wouldn't be fair for someone that has more money to not get punished as a person without that much money. Some people could get more justice, an example would be if someone murdered a person, and the other person stole from a store, than the person that murdered should get in trouble more than the other person. Therefore, justice is giving each person what he/she deserves, but due to their actions, sometimes people should get more justice than others.
ReplyDeleteJACLYN SALEVSKY
12/16/09 RED4
To me justice is to treat everyone fairly no matter where you're from or who your parents are or what color your skin is. You have no control over that, you can't pick your parents are or where you come from or what type of skin color you have. People can't judge you by your race or parent they can only judge you by your actions. People should be treat fairly and should have the same amount of justice as everyone else. No one should have more or less justice than everyone else. A person justice can only be deiced by that person actions.
ReplyDeleteBao Loc
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I disagree with Alaine in saying that Justice is everyone being treated equally. It sounds good at first but when you really think about it some people deserve more than others. Like for example if two people were working at a job, and one person was slacking off while the other person was working really hard and they both end up getting the same pay, would that be fair?
ReplyDeleteAndrea Zarate Red4
I don't entirely agree with the little girl. I mean, yeah that's impressive that she came up with that at nine years old, but Bill Cosby proved kids say some crazy stuff. I'm not trying to bash on the little girl, but I can't agree that everyone, in every situation should be treated exactly the same all the time. I don't think that's fair, I don't think that's just.
ReplyDeleteI think that it depends on what someone did wrong. I was watching cops last night, of all shows, and a man spray painted a building. He was talking to the cop and the cop said that a good punishment would be paying back the owner of the building and painting over some other "art" in another part of town. The girl would have said that he should go to jail. Like everyone else, or maybe she meant that everyone, no matter what the crime should have the same punishment?
When reading "Touching Spirit Bear" the idea of circle justice was brought up. It's a good concept, but it's unrealistic. I don't see that becoming common anywhere in the country, anytime soon. I'd like to think that it would though.
The little girl was saying that everyone should be punished just the same, which is all well and good because everyone should be treated the same. One would think that anyway. But, that's not the way it works. Someone like Lennie shouldn't have the same punishment for killing Curley's wife that someone like Curley should have. Lennie didn't know better.
Justice can be a form of fairness. I agree with Aleina's statement about 'no matter how old you are, who your parents are, how tall you are...' and so on. Because how fair would it be if someone of 15 murdered someone in the relative way a 25 year old did, but the 25 year old was put to death whereas the kid gets to stay in jail? It's unfair and unjust. All depending on the actions one partakes, should the consequences differ. Not because of age, or person should the consequences be different. About the last question, it all depends on teh situation. Say, for example, if a teens mother had just died the other day and asks the teacher for five minutes and just leave the class but says no to the other students, then it's a pretty self explainatory situation. But if a teacher, say, doesn't let a student to the facilities because they dislike the student but lets another for personal reasons, then it would be quite unfair.
ReplyDeleteI think justice is treating people equally and fairly, no matter what their appearance, or religion. I think that Alaine was pretty much right with what she said about justice. I also think justice requires everyone getting the same treatment for the most part. Even if certain people would rather have a set amount of something, each person should get the same amount (unless they'll die if they don't have that set amount...) If some people are treated differently- weather it be with more of something or less- other people would either feel more significant, (superior), or discriminated against, like they aren't as important as those other people. And that's not justice.
ReplyDeleteAlEiNa PeLuSo
I understand where Alaine is coming from, but she's in fourth grade, and I don't believe she has been truly exposed to the world, so she is not qualified to say what equality is. Justice is based on many different things. Going back to the food analogy, she (the teacher) did not define the age of the child, so the kid could be 2 years old and could certainly not eat what a 15 year old could eat. She has a good idea in mind and sounds like a very intelligent kid, but I think she needs a greater understanding of the world around her so she can fully grasp the meaning of justice.
ReplyDeleteOlivia Hamlin
I agree that justice is treating everyone equal, but I also believe that there are some exceptions for treating people equal. Say if doctors were giving out a cure for a disease for everyone to get and if you followed the justice she said you would just give the cure to every one in a random order unti everyone had it. Then in my justice you would use the exception I was talking about you would skip the people that aren't sick and go right to the people who are sick and then go to the people who aren't sick. That is what I believe justice should be.
ReplyDeleteDerek red 3
Alaine is a really mature girl for her age. At my age I probably couldnt have come up with a point like that. Everyone should be given and treated the same. What they do with themselves after is there choice. They can make the best of it or they can give it away, and that's just it. Justice isn't about feeling sorry for someone. No matter what's wrong with you, even if it's an accident that's happened one too many times, your dangerous to the world. That's how sometimes justice is unfair, because you can't help being dangerous if you have a mental illness. Justice is a way to help you be a better person and make the world a better place for all people. So, if you can't do the time...dont do the crime!? No matter how big the crime, you still deserve punishment, because something small can turn to something big in the snap of a finger.
ReplyDelete~LuLu
I think she is completly right, though I never thought about it that way it makes sence. This way no one can say I was not given a fair chance. Applying this to the criminal action if you don't want to go to jail to do the crime, if you don't want that cake don't take it. but unlike a piece of cake that can be given away, jail time can not.
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